Advice from the 4by experts

[texrodder]

I have a couple of questions about a 67 4x4 from the resident experts.I have the opportunity to purchase a 67 swb 4x4 at a very very good price and was wondering the value of one,and was the front a full time or do they have or accept lockable hubs?
The truck is a very srtaight fleetside swb,solid black,body is a 7.5 on 1-10 scale just normal wear,interior is the same normal wear,it has a 352 and low geared 4spd,sitting stock it holds 33-35's with ease.It is 95% unmodified and driveable around town as is,and all its life spent in N.Texas and rust is minimal,so what would a safe estimate be on it?
thanks...........

[averagef250]

Fleetside is a GM term.

It is far from stock if it fits 33-35" tires. The front axle should have hubs, the stock t-case is the D21 in and out box.

In my experience SWB 2wd bumpsides get quite a bit more money than 4x4 ones. A 1/2 ton short wheelbase 4x4 is a great truck for offroad, but sucks for anything practical. It won't tow much, it has a small bed, light duty running gear.

The SWB 4x4's are not very common, but they still don't demand much of a premium. A nice bump F-250 4x4 seams to get 2 to 3 times what a shorty F100 does in my area. The question to ask yourself would be why buy a shorty 4x4 when you could have an early bronco if you want a capable small 4x4.

If I understand your description I'd estimate that truck would be worth $1000-$1500 in my area, maybe more if the body really is cherry .

[texrodder]

[quote="averagef250"]Fleetside is a GM term.

It is far from stock if it fits 33-35" tires. The front axle should have hubs, the stock t-case is the D21 in and out box.

In my experience SWB 2wd bumpsides get quite a bit more money than 4x4 ones. A 1/2 ton short wheelbase 4x4 is a great truck for offroad, but sucks for anything practical. It won't tow much, it has a small bed, light duty running gear.[quote="averagef250"]


In this area most everyone refers to non-step sides as fleetside,it could be used by gm but here its the norm,from the pictures and info given to me it appears to be stock height with 33's and lots of clearance,but it is used and the p.o. could have put lift springs under it,either way it sits at the perfect height for what I want.
I already own an f250 to handle towing duties so this would be a toy,I personally like the looks of a lifted short bed over a long bed.
From the pics sent I couldnt tell if it had hubs or not,glad to know its not full time,is the D21 a piece,or ok for light mudding,we dont quite have the weather you northerners get,so a little mud is all it would probably see,thanks for the reply.

[fireguywtc]

The only thing that makes it difficult to predict the value is you didn't say how many miles it has. Dustin's prediction seems pretty accurate to me, but it has been my experience while shopping around here in TX for a 4x4 is they are a lot more rare and seem to get more of a premium here. But unless the milage is really low, I wouldn't go over $2k.

[Redcap]

Without seeing pictures, it would go for about $1000 in this area.

[mr_josh]

From the factory, the F-100 did not have locking hubs (may have been an option), they had "slugs", i.e. they were constantly-engaged.

Here's the things: they are getting tricky to find parts for, particularly the pre-'70s era.

No power steering: a pretty involved task to switch to power.
Drum brakes: a pretty involved task to switch to discs (and if you're going to run 35s, you don't want to do all of your stopping on the small F-100 drums.
As Dustin said, it has a Dana 21 with no low range (tough box but 4lo is something you miss when you don't have it).

Finding front suspension parts is getting harder and harder, and the D44 that's on there is not the toughest thing in the world.

My opinion, having worked on my '72 for the last five years or so: if you want a "real" four-wheel drive rig, do as was said and get an F-250 or a Bronco or something. If you want something to tinker with that you'll either leave completely stock or build / piece together your own solutions for, go with the F-100. Just my two cents.

[averagef250]

From the factory, the F-100 did not have locking hubs (may have been an option), they had "slugs", i.e. they were constantly-engaged.

Locking hubs were standard on every 4x4 ford. Full time 4x4 with drive flanges was an option above and beyond standard 4wd and wasn't available until the mid 70's through 79 when the 203 transfer case was around. The D21 is a pile. One should never have been put under a fullsize truck.

SWB 4x4's do look cool. If it's what you want pick it up, just don't go in with the presumption that you're getting a steal on a truck that's worth far more. I've seen a few decent SWB 4x4's scrapped out to give any good parts for a 2wd SWB or crewcab 4x4 restoration. A bump crewcab 4x4 or 2wd with a shortbed is rare functional and cool, a bump SWB 2wd is a hotrod, a bump 4x4 SWB is often just a playtoy.

[texrodder]

A bump crewcab 4x4 or 2wd with a shortbed is rare functional and cool, a bump SWB 2wd is a hotrod, a bump 4x4 SWB is often just a playtoy.

I would love to have a swb crew 4x4,that would be my ultimate offroad toy,after the replys I am having doubts,I might pass unless I can talk him down more,I got him down to $1000,now and may go lower,Im glad I asked you guys before I picked it up,trying to adapt disc's and power steering plus the out of date suspension components have changed my mind.Unfortunatly now I have to find a crew 4x4 to add to the collection.
Dustin got my wheels turning.( my wife is gonna be pissed at you)
Thanks for the advice guys,now find me a crew4x....................

[greasepit]

my buddy just bought a 70 swb 4x4.I talked him in to buying it . It cost : more than 3000.oo ,but the guy had a lot in it.
i have two 2wd's 68 & a 70 and i really liked the one he bought.We led our self to beleive that they were rare which
brings me to my question.Does any body have a rough guess to how many swb 4x4 67-72 trucks were made?

[fomocoguy]

my buddy just bought a 70 swb 4x4.I talked him in to buying it . It cost : more than 3000.oo ,but the guy had a lot in it.
i have two 2wd's 68 & a 70 and i really liked the one he bought.We led our self to beleive that they were rare which
brings me to my question.Does any body have a rough guess to how many swb 4x4 67-72 trucks were made?

I don't know much about F100 production numbers, but I have learned that "rare" is a relative term with these trucks and it really depends on what area of the country you are in. I would imagine any nice 4x4 bump is fairly rare in TN where you live, just as they are here in St. Louis. I hardly ever see bumps on the road in general, let alone 4x4's. On the other hand, all the guys in the northwest will tell you that they are everywhere up there. You can't hardly throw a stone without hitting one. As we all know when the supply goes down, the demand goes up. My friends brother just went to Cali and paid $10k for a nicely done 1972 F250 crew long bed 2wd! In my case I only paid $2k for the truck, but it cost me $1400+ to get it shipped from Cali to St. Louis. Anyhow, the point is that some areas are lacking in bumps and they call for a higher premium in those areas.

[basketcase0302]

No expert here, just an avid wheeler. Here's the production numbers:
http://www.fordification.com/tech/production.htm

[Doug F]

Hey, I happen to have a 1967 F100 4x4 and have learned quite a bit about them. Yes, they are rare... However, selling price is one thing, but the way trucks are gaining in popularity (a whole big part of current Barrett-Jackson auction recently) it will only be an investment. Just look at how much these trucks sell for in So. Cal...

As for tech: I am installing power steering in mine in the next couple weeks... I am trying to do it so it looks like it came from the factory, but it is pricey. $450 for the box and I am going to try using a "correct" pump for it, which I got used with FE brackets etc.

The T-case on mine is brand new, it is the On-Off type, but with the granny low in the NP 435, an even lower gear in the T-case (2 spd case) could sure break stuff! I know guys run 'em, I just don't see the need when I'm out hunting in the mountains.

I am building mine up as a driver, hunting rig and for exploring. Good luck.

[averagef250]

Hey, I happen to have a 1967 F100 4x4 and have learned quite a bit about them. Yes, they are rare... However, selling price is one thing, but the way trucks are gaining in popularity (a whole big part of current Barrett-Jackson auction recently) it will only be an investment. Just look at how much these trucks sell for in So. Cal...

As for tech: I am installing power steering in mine in the next couple weeks... I am trying to do it so it looks like it came from the factory, but it is pricey. $450 for the box and I am going to try using a "correct" pump for it, which I got used with FE brackets etc.

The T-case on mine is brand new, it is the On-Off type, but with the granny low in the NP 435, an even lower gear in the T-case (2 spd case) could sure break stuff! I know guys run 'em, I just don't see the need when I'm out hunting in the mountains.

I am building mine up as a driver, hunting rig and for exploring. Good luck.

I disagree with your advice. By an old truck if it's what you really want. Absolutely never buy one for an investment. You will not see a return on your investment unless you get a really good deal on a nice truck to start with. Barrett Jackson has no effect on the prices in the real world. Your truck is worth what the current market will bear. Compared to a rare muscle care not many people really care about these trucks enough to pay large sums of money for one.

The nice thing about our trucks is that you still can get great deals on really nice ones since the owners are generally good guys with realistic pricing in mind.

[mr_josh]

Absolutely never buy one for an investment.

I kind of have to agree with this. There are certain automobiles that you could invest in "soundly", but those are usually the ones that have an established market. As far as resale goes, the 4x4 F-100 bumpsides are way down the list. From what I see, hot rod 2wd half tons seem to be the money makers. For whatever reason, Chevy '67-'72 prices seem to be much higher than their Ford counterparts, and if you're sure that you can build a show-quality truck while sticking to a budget, I'd honestly say they'd be a better "investment" (though you might still consider them more of a gamble).

Actually, that's one of the reasons that I like dealing with my Ford (I may or may not also own a '70 Chevy C/20), just because the people I deal with seem to be a lot less caught up in the value of the truck and focus more on what can be done with it. I'm on a couple of Chevy forums and it's completely common to see guys sinking 20k in to a truck and flipping it for 30k (or putting 50k in it and selling it for 20 if they don't know what they're doing...)

Point being, if you look at the market, I just don't think you even see 4x4 F-100s on the radar screen. If you want one, it's like I said: get it because you want something to tinker with and build stuff for, not because you expect to make money (or break even) on it.

[Doug F]

I disagree with your advice. By an old truck if it's what you really want. Absolutely never buy one for an investment. You will not see a return on your investment unless you get a really good deal on a nice truck to start with. Barrett Jackson has no effect on the prices in the real world. Your truck is worth what the current market will bear. Compared to a rare muscle care not many people really care about these trucks enough to pay large sums of money for one.

The nice thing about our trucks is that you still can get great deals on really nice ones since the owners are generally good guys with realistic pricing in mind.

I don't care if you disagree with my opinion, but you are missing the point. By investment I mean the value is due to go up as yuppies see that trucks are getting popular (thus the Barret Jackson), if you are so inclined to sell it. I am not an investor, I bought mine because I like it and it is practical for my purposes. How did muscle car values go up? People see them and want them. In sunny places, people enjoy showing off their vehicles and usually want something nobody else has... Hence a truck, hence a rare truck, hence something they can out do the others with. The 50s trucks are getting bought up, next is the 60s...