Engine Casting Number Help... Possible 427 c.i.d ?

[krumpelsaurusrex]

I decided it was time to replace the spark plugs and tune up my engine a bit. I pulled the spark plugs an tried to clean up a bit. Under the grease were the engine casting numbers so I decided to look them up. The casting on both sides reads " C8AE-H" Looking this up on the casting number reference http://www.fordification.com/tech/casti ... Eblock.htm It says:
" C8AE-H '68 427 c.i.d. Hydraulic Lifters, Side Oilier"

Also on the left side front of engine there is another casting that reads "13" "352"

By the VIN this 69 F-250 should have a 360 but the castings say otherwise.

What do you gentleman think?

if it is a 427 what do I need to know. Can't find to much info on it, except people saying its "rare"?

P.S. Please excuse the dirt and grime in the photos, The P.O. didn't really care about keeping things clean, so now it's my job to clean it all up!

C8AEH.jpg

13_352.jpg

[fordman]

c8 AE.H is a car head. my heads say the same thing. i dont know about that number 13 though. i seen an engine just a day or so ago that has a 8 or 82 on it. i dont remember know. if you head numbers where the block numbers that woudl say soemthing more abotu the block. heres anpother link that was posted the other day abotu the block numbers under the heads. http://www.erareplicas.com/427man/engine/partnums.htm

[Steve75]

C8AEH are standard heads for 1968 360, 390, 428 and have a combustion chamber volume of 68.1-71.1. This information is from Steve Christ's book Big-Block Ford Engines. I have the same heads on my V-8. There is a block number the passenger side of the engine near the front. I got bored and found the numbers on my block and heads. I thought I had the 360 as my VIN tag indicates in 68 F-100. The numbers on the side of my engine block C7ME-A lead me to believe that it might be a 428 (67-70) according to Christ's book . This a pleasing thought, however I will be pulling off the oil pan some time today to confirm my suspicions by locating the part numbers on the crankshaft and rods. This way I can be 100% certain of what engine I have. My block also has 352 on the drivers side of the engine just below the cylinder head. According to my reading this symbolic as the 352 is the original FE engine. I am not sure what the 13 is all about.

[Redcap]

C8AEH are standard heads for 1968 360, 390, 428 and have a combustion chamber volume of 68.1-71.1. This information is from Steve Christ's book Big-Block Ford Engines. I have the same heads on my V-8. There is a block number the passenger side of the engine near the front. I got bored and found the numbers on my block and heads. I thought I had the 360 as my VIN tag indicates in 68 F-100. The numbers on the side of my engine block C7ME-A lead me to believe that it might be a 428 (67-70) according to Christ's book . This a pleasing thought, however I will be pulling off the oil pan some time today to confirm my suspicions by locating the part numbers on the crankshaft and rods. This way I can be 100% certain of what engine I have. My block also has 352 on the drivers side of the engine just below the cylinder head. According to my reading this symbolic as the 352 is the original FE engine. I am not sure what the 13 is all about.

Pull a plug, feed a coat hanger down into the cylinder and roll the engine over with a breaker bar. If it has a 4" stroke, it is most likely a 428, or at the very least, a 410.

[fordman]

charles manson avatar??

[DuckRyder]

C8AE-H are very common heads, they were on everything from 360's to 427 irrigation motors.

They are not bad heads, but they don't tell you a thing in the world about what the engine is.

[FORDification]

On the casting numbers page at http://www.fordification.com/tech/casti ... Eblock.htm that you referred to, in BIG red letters across the top of the page, it says:

Entries below are what it COULD be, not necessarily what it is!

I should just delete that page altogether, since too many people are just reading the casting number entries and assuming that's what they've got, and is therefore misleading. As stated above, the FE block castings were used on a multitude of engine CIDs and configurations, so while you might be able to tell what a block isn't by it's casting number, you sure can't use them to positively ascertain what it is.

[mkpj1]

exactly right boss, The new site is awesome by the way!

I too had c7me-yada yada on my block and just a plain old 360. Charley M. (You know he killed a pregnant woman, right) has it correct. just check the stroke and you will know what you have.


Ken

[krumpelsaurusrex]

On the casting numbers page at http://www.fordification.com/tech/casti ... Eblock.htm that you referred to, in BIG red letters across the top of the page, it says:

Entries below are what it COULD be, not necessarily what it is!

I should just delete that page altogether, since too many people are just reading the casting number entries and assuming that's what they've got, and is therefore misleading. As stated above, the FE block castings were used on a multitude of engine CIDs and configurations, so while you might be able to tell what a block isn't by it's casting number, you sure can't use them to positively ascertain what it is.

doing a lot of mobile browsing sometimes things like the red lettering is easily missed. Why would you remove a page that gives information from a site that prides itself on having the most amount of information for these trucks? Simply because it may spark questions like the one above? Discussion forums are just for that, no harm in asking a question and missing some information that may have been there. Kindly point it out, but it also leads to other information being shared that one may not have known, just as some of that information has been shared in above posts. Being a member of a discussion forum means that you will have to answer, and re answer the same question over and over. It's just what happens. But it's what forums are about, discussing information. Deleting information just for the sake of people posting the same questions isn't really the answer. IMHO.

Thanks for all the good info above guys. I was not able to check tha actual block or stroke yet, mostly due to moving. Good to known that the head is common.

[70_F100]

Like Keith said, it may not be accurate, but here's the link:

http://www.erareplicas.com/427man/engine/partnums.htm

Fordman, you've got one HECK of a memory!!!

[FORDification]

krumpelsaurusrex: first of all, I apologize if I came off as criticizing you specifically...that was not my intent. What I meant was that simply posting those numbers as/is is causing way too many people to be mislead into thinking that there is some rhyme or reason behind Ford's FE block casting numbers. I have honestly lost count on how many e-mails I've received over the years from folks who just do a quick scan of that page and then fire off an e-mail to me asking "Do I really have a 427???" I've also read posts on many other messageboards which refer to this page saying how completely inaccurate it is....which I don't like, since I do take pride in presenting as much accurate information as possible.

The information on that page is (fairly) accurate...it's just not complete, nor is it definitive. It's a good place to begin research, not end it. Unfortunately, not everyone understands this, and can't grasp why their Bowtie friends can have an easy casting number checklist, but there is no such thing for Ford, nor is it even possible.

This is why I'm thinking that maybe what I really need to do is make that casting number page the second page of a 2-page tutorial, with the first page being a more detailed tutorial on why the numbers that they'll read on the next page are to be taken with a grain of salt, for the most part. I'll have to give this some thought, and see what I can come up with.

[snake]

So where is the casting number on the crankshaft?? (Never mind, I see the other page here with the pics of the casting number on the crank)

Thanks

[snake]

And of course - no numbers on the one I'm trying to decipher. So back to my original question (sort of) - which counter weight is that casting supposed to be on?? (I can't tell for sure from the picture)

Thanks

[DuckRyder]

Second counterweight from the rear (forward half of the 4/8 bearing surface).

See: http://www.428cobrajet.com/id-crank.html

[427]

I checked my engine tonight. Its a 64 r code 427 center oiler. It doesnt have any numbers on the front at all, it did however have a 352 stamped on the block. The bad thing is I think all fe,s had 352 stamped on them. On the intake ? I would run anything aluminum because it will perform better run cooler and if you ever remove a factory cast you will know why.Hope this helps a little.Brian.