Imron paint?

[tomsrod]

I'm new to this forum and new to auto paint. One of the guys I've talked to about paint suggested PPG Imron as a durable and nice looking product. Have any of you had any experience with it or is there something you like better? Is it a single stage paint?

[jzjames]

I also heard Imron is top quality.

[Dropped 68]

I've heard it's popular w/ semi's because of it's exellent chip resistance. don't know if it's two stage or single. just heard good things.

[FoMoCo]

Imron is a Dupont product made for industrial apps. like commercial trucks and construction equipment. DO NOT USE IT. It uses an Issocianate harder that has caused death and health complications. I would recomend PPG's Concept in it's place. It does just as well

nick

[kknip]

Imron is a Dupont product made for industrial apps. like commercial trucks and construction equipment. DO NOT USE IT. It uses an Issocianate harder that has caused death and health complications. I would recomend PPG's Concept in it's place. It does just as well

nick

All paints have issocianates in them.You would have to breath alot of paint fumes to have them build up in your body.I have sprayed ALOT of imron in my 15 years of painting big rigs and it is a really good paint.Of course if you are going to paint your own truck you need a good charcoal filtered respirator.Do not spray without one!Also some kind of ventilation system to draw the fumes out of the building.Imron is a single stage paint.I personally like the two stage base/clear paints.My friend has a body shop and has the ppg mixing station.I used this on my bike and it is really good paint.Base clear is easier to use in my opinion.DuPont and ppg have superior products.

[hardtailjohn]

Well...... Not all paints have Isocyanates in them (actually the paint doesn't have any isocyanate or isocyanide in it...just the catalyst).... only the urethanes are catalyzed with Isocyanates (polyurethane and acrylic urethane). You don't have to necessarily breathe any fumes to have that kill you. It's a cyanide derivative, and it enters your body through the soft tissues... such as behind your ears, under your chin, your eyes, inside your nose and mouth, your armpits, etc. It's attracted to moisture, and our bodies are mostly moisture, so guess what it wants to do? It NEVER leaves your body again... just keeps building up, every time you are exposed to it again. It's kind of like filling a bucket with a spoon.... it may take a long time to get full, but then one day all it takes is just a tiny drop more and the bucket overflows. You need a pressure, fresh air system and full body suit to shoot it safely, which isn't that huge of a deal...but is very necessary!!! The other thing to think of is that it will affect anyone else around you..so don't try to shoot that in your garage...you'll expose the rest of your family, your pets, anyone that walks by on the street, etc.
PPG's Concept is also a polyurethane and is catalyzed with an isocyanate. I'm sitting here looking at a can of it right now... Concept DCU2002.
The thing to do with ANY paint/catalyst is to sit down and read the contents label of the can, and the tech sheets.... you'll find out what's in there, and what you need to do to be safe. Look for the key words, or anything that resembles them; urethane, and isocyanate (or isocyanide..anything with the "cyan" in it). You'll also find out the PROPER way to mix and apply the product... which by the way, is the #2 cause of paint failures (poor prep work is #1). If your supplier doesn't want to give you the tech sheets, they aren't anyone you want to deal with!!
I know alot of people have been shooting and mixing stuff the wrong way for alot of years. I was a paint manufacturer for a couple years, and was totally appalled at what people did!! Just because it's been done wrong for years, doesn't make it right!!
Imron is a polyurethane and is a good, tough, flexible paint. We use it in the aircraft industry as well as the automotive industry. It's nice to work with, and holds up well, but it's not something to taken lightly.
I'm all for shooting your own paint. I've taught people to paint aircraft and cars for years... it's really rewarding! You just need to take the proper precautions and do it safe and the right way!
JH

[67F250CS]

I found a lot of good info here.

http://www.xs11.com/faq/paintfaq.shtml# ... e%20Paint0

[rjewkes]

Thats the one thing mom has streessed anytime i thought to paint the truck or any car i've had. Even my model paints she insists on a full body suite with rebreather.

[tynall44]

its also used to paint the hull of boats,,,small and large boats

[hardtailjohn]

A respirator or rebreather wont do it...absolutely NOT. There isn't a respirator made that will block the isocyanates.... That's one of the biggest mistakes people make with this stuff.... the only way to protect yourself is to have fresh air pumped in to you. It doesn't matter what filters you get, if you look, they wont protect you from any isocyanates. Been there and done that.
I'm not trying to start any arguments here or anything, but don't want to sit here and see anyone ingest any poison... I'm as guilty as many, as I thought I was bulletproof when I was younger, and not only thought a mask was going to protect me, but even sprayed some with no mask at all (not smart..still paying for that one and will be the rest of my life). It's dangerous stuff when mishandled, and can really mess you up... I just don't want to see anyone hurt themselves.
JH

[tomsrod]

I started this thread after looking into painting my truck myself. Besides having no experience in auto painting, I have inadequate tools. I do have a small air compressor and old spray gun I've used to paint furniture as well as a variety of masks and sanding equipment. I do have a portable, plastic booth I could expand and use. When I looked into the costs of equipment alone (larger compressor, paint gun, respirator, regulator, dryer and so on), it became obvious I needed to look for someone who was already setup for this. The guy I talked to suggested Imron paint and that brought me to this forum. Most of the local body shops aren't set up for complete vehicle repaint and do collision repair. I was scheduled for one body shop, but the owner extended the start of the job three times and now won't call me back. I'll be talking with the Imron guy this weekend and hopefully get this truck painted. Thanks to all who have helped.

[foghorn]

A respirator or rebreather wont do it...absolutely NOT. There isn't a respirator made that will block the isocyanates.... That's one of the biggest mistakes people make with this stuff.... the only way to protect yourself is to have fresh air pumped in to you. It doesn't matter what filters you get, if you look, they wont protect you from any isocyanates. Been there and done that.
I'm not trying to start any arguments here or anything, but don't want to sit here and see anyone ingest any poison... I'm as guilty as many, as I thought I was bulletproof when I was younger, and not only thought a mask was going to protect me, but even sprayed some with no mask at all (not smart..still paying for that one and will be the rest of my life). It's dangerous stuff when mishandled, and can really mess you up... I just don't want to see anyone hurt themselves.
JH

You might be right but the auto paint place's sell these and i used one like these for 15 years . I got a new one every week or when i could taste the hardeners. The charcoal filters are supposed to stop the chemical. The reasons i quit painting is my knees and eyesight are going bad. I have to wear glass's now so i can still drive trucks but my knees were the main reason i stopped working in the body shop. The only filter that is changable on these are the prefilter the charcoal isn't changable at all. But i do agree the only way to stop it completely is the supplied air system type with full body suits. But who on this forum has that kind of cash to shell out 5k for a good system just to paint. Like i say i been painting since the late 60's and retired from it in 2000. Now bear in mind i was painting 3-4 cars a day sometimes. High end autos like Mecerdes BMW Lexus Ect Ect Ect.



foggy

[rjewkes]

Hey john,

I apreciate your info. I will definately look into a way to get fresh air in. An exhuast fan and some blowers? or an oxygen tank and pump?

plus the full body suite.

[kknip]

Everyone,listen to Hardtail,He is 101% correct.He refreshed alot of my bad memory about the subject,alot of lost memory probably from the chemicals I took in while I did paint and body work.The charcole filters will NOT filter out isocianates,Period.A fresh air supply needs to come from an oilless compressor for breathing.DO NOT hook up a fresh air hood to a regular air compressor as you will be breathing carbon monoxide!Also,if you do any type of automotive painting,you need to wear the same protective equipment while you are cleaning up the paint gun as the thinner used to clean up will soak through your skin and get in your blood stream in less than one second.



Sorry about the missinformation in my previous post,Thanks Hardtailjohn!!